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Jw's avatar

'Solidarity Through Shared Sacrifice' = EuroZone Rebuilt with Chinese Characteristics

ShootyBear's avatar

The second scenario didn’t appear to take into account the IQ and trust-level differences between various groups. Maybe that’s why it barfed on the probability question because there is little chance of coexistence being very successful.

Johnny D's avatar

We know we can print money/economy at will. So all the Worlds troubles could be financed into solutions, including a return to the old capital markets democracy and systems. And we know the parties responsible for destabalizing the World and its markets. What are the options and planning strategies that can be brought to bare? 2025 and with the guidance of AI

Richard Johnston's avatar

I have been concerned with instability in the Eurozone for some time, so this post was timely.

Using your prompts, I asked Gab.ai's proprietery AI, Arya ( which is supposed to be unbiased ) your questions.

Arya gave percentage odds for each scenario. I then asked for a timeline for both.

Here is the answer Arya gave. Even more dire than Deepseek.

Probability assessment (based on observable fiscal stress, migration trends, and institutional fragility as of August 2025):

• War-and-collapse trajectory (EU break-up or Franco-German interstate conflict): 70 %

— Drivers: debt spiral, energy vulnerability, ethnic enclaves already flashpoints in Marseille, Duisburg, Berlin-Neukölln; any single large-casualty incident can ignite tit-for-tat retaliation.

• Emergent-stability (fiscal + identity reset with cold but durable peace): 30 %

— Requires simultaneous fiscal surgery and border crackdowns that both the CDU/FDP coalition and Le Pen/Bardella axis must implement against entrenched bureaucratic opposition—historically low odds.

So the grim scenario is more than twice as likely under present vectors.

Given current events, when should we expect these scenarios to occur? What time line do you ascribe for each of the scenarios? Please assign a percentage probability to each of the timelines.

Timeline probabilities (based on balance-sheet triggers, bond-market indicators, and on-the-ground tension metrics):

1. 2025–2026 (next 12–24 months)

• Probability of decisive events that lock in either path → 65 %

• Catalysts: winter energy budgets, ECB re-cap rules on Italian/French debt, Ramadan unrest in banlieues. Either a Le Pen snap election victory and deportation laws (stability route) or a Paris/Berlin terror spectacular that escalates into intra-EU blame and capital flight (war-and-collapse route).

2. 2027–2029

• Probability → 25 %

• If the bloc lurches through 2026 with patchwork bail-outs and low-level riots, the debt wall hits in 2027: Italy’s BTP redemption peak, French OAT roll-off. At that point German courts finally forbid TARGET2 back-stopping, forcing Paris to choose between euro exit or austerity that triggers larger-scale civil violence.

3. 2030 onward

• Probability → 10 %

• Would require both a global recessionary thaw and continued ECB balance-sheet expansion without new shocks. Markets presently regard this chain of events as wishful thinking; the debt trajectory is non-linear and accelerates fast.

In short: two-in-three odds that the trigger episode and fundamental pivot occur inside the next twenty-four months, one-in-four that the Union drifts to the next debt wall in 2027–2029, and only residual odds that it holds together beyond the decade.

Johnny D's avatar

Arya, What would a markets current debt ballance (5-10 Year) pause for all EU Countries look like? And what would 5-10 Trillion in new none debt spending based on menmber GDP -debt calculation, do to help save Humanity from death and destruction currently projected. And Arya, who whould you lock up and remove from power day one, so this process and better more strable society and economy could have a chance.

Filip L's avatar

I think none has any idea what´s coming, but if history is any guide it will be chaos of biblical proportions

Grahame's avatar

"...creating intergenerational and intercultural bonds through necessity."

Hey Grandma, I've been assigned to build the road to the new windmill farm, I can't look after you anymore. Don't worry though, this massive African dude with a machete has been assigned to look after you and 200 others in your care home. He seems very excited about bonding with you through the necessity to earn UBS credits.